Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Decisions, Decisions, Decisions.....


At the end of this month - one of the local stores is having their annual Battle for Stones River tournament - in memory of the Civil War battle of the same name. It's a great little tournament - 50 players - fun scenarios, etc. 1863 points (the year of the battle).

I'm torn between two armies (sounds like that song from the 70's) and feeling like a fool!

In one hand, I have a beautiful Ultramarine Bike army that I love to run. It's a capable army - but a lot of finesse to run. You can beat ANY army - but also lose to any army. They are painted well - and will be my main army at Adepticon.

On the other hand, I have an equally beautiful Space Wolf army. It's probably a bit more forgiving to play. Has a nice combo of in your face hard hitting stuff - as well as supporting units.

I like them both and can't decide between them.....

Thoughts? Here are the lists:


1863 Pts - Space Wolves Roster - 1863 BFSR Mix 2



HQ: Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf (1#, 275 pts)

HQ: Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Power Armour (1#, 175 pts)
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Power Armour, 175 pts (Unit Type: Cavalry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Wolftooth Necklace; Thunderwolf Mount; Storm Shield x1; Wolf Claw x1; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Independent Character; Rending in CC only)

HQ: Rune Priest in Terminator Armour (1#, 120 pts)
1 Rune Priest in Terminator Armour, 120 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Runic Weapon; Storm Bolter; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Independent Character; Psyker; Jaws of the World Wolf; Murderous Hurricane)

Elite: Lone Wolf in Terminator Armour (1#, 85 pts)
1 Lone Wolf in Terminator Armour, 85 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; A Glorious Death; Acute Senses; Beastslayer; Counter-attack; Eternal Warrior; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Pack of One)

Troops: Wolf Guard Pack (10#, 530 pts)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Storm Shield; Wolf Claw; Cyclone Missile Launcher; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)


1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Storm Shield; Wolf Claw; Cyclone Missile Launcher; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)


1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Power Weapon; Storm Shield; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)


1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Power Weapon; Storm Shield; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)


1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Storm Shield; Wolf Claw; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)


1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Storm Shield; Wolf Claw; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)


1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Power Weapon; Storm Bolter; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)


1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Power Weapon; Storm Bolter; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)


1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Power Weapon; Storm Bolter; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)


1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (6#, 155 pts)

5 Grey Hunters Pack, 155 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x4; Close Combat Weapon x5; Meltagun; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Lascannon)


Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (6#, 155 pts)

5 Grey Hunters Pack, 155 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x4; Close Combat Weapon x5; Meltagun; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Assault Cannon)

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (6#, 120 pts)

5 Grey Hunters Pack, 120 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x4; Close Combat Weapon x5; Meltagun; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter)

Fast Attack: Thunderwolf Cavalry (3#, 245 pts)

1 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Thunderwolf Mount; Melta Bombs; Close Combat Weapon; Storm Shield)


1 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Thunderwolf Mount; Close Combat Weapon; Storm Shield)


1 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Thunderwolf Mount; Close Combat Weapon; Storm Shield)


1863 Pts - Space Marines Roster - 1863 Khan Bike - BFSR list v1




HQ: Kor'sarro Khan (1#, 205 pts)

HQ: Space Marine Chaplain (1#, 135 pts)
...in Power Armour (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Rosarius; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol; Crozius Arcanum; Twin Linked Bolter)

: Command Squad (5#, 360 pts)

1 Apothecary (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Narthecium; Power Armour; Unit on SM Bikes; Bolt Pistol x1; Chainsword x1; Twin Linked Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)


1 Veteran (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Storm Shield; Unit on SM Bikes; Bolt Pistol; Lightning Claw x1; Twin Linked Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)


1 Veteran (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Storm Shield; Unit on SM Bikes; Bolt Pistol; Lightning Claw x1; Twin Linked Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)


1 Veteran (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Storm Shield; Unit on SM Bikes; Lightning Claw x1; Meltagun x1; Twin Linked Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)


1 Veteran (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Storm Shield; Unit on SM Bikes; Bolt Pistol; Power Fist x1; Twin Linked Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)

Troops: Space Marine Bike Squad (9#, 310 pts)

7 Space Marine Bike Squad, 310 pts (Unit Type: Bikes; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol x5; Meltagun x2; Twin Linked Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)


1 Attack Bike (Unit Type: Bikes; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol; Multi-Melta; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)


1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Bikes; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Power Fist; Twin Linked Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)

Troops: Space Marine Bike Squad (9#, 310 pts)

7 Space Marine Bike Squad, 310 pts (Unit Type: Bikes; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol x5; Meltagun x2; Twin Linked Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)


1 Attack Bike (Unit Type: Bikes; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol; Multi-Melta; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)


1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Bikes; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Power Fist; Twin Linked Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)

Troops: Space Marine Bike Squad (5#, 200 pts)

3 Space Marine Bike Squad, 200 pts (Unit Type: Bikes; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol x1; Meltagun x2; Twin Linked Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)


1 Attack Bike (Unit Type: Bikes; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol; Multi-Melta; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)


1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Bikes; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Power Weapon; Twin Linked Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)

Fast Attack: Attack Bike Squad (3#, 120 pts)

3 Attack Bike Squad, 120 pts (Unit Type: Bikes; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol x3; Heavy Bolter x3; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)

Fast Attack: Attack Bike Squad (2#, 100 pts)

2 Attack Bike Squad, 100 pts (Unit Type: Bikes; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol x2; Multi-Melta x2; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)

Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (2#, 120 pts)

2 Land Speeder Squadron, 120 pts (Unit Type: Vehicle (Skimmer, Fast); Heavy Bolter x2; Heavy Bolter x2; Deep Strike)






9 comments:

Bikeninja said...

Well Al you have put yourself in quite a perdicament. You need to practice for Adepticon, so I say take your Bikes. However the Wolves are just plain awesome. Toughy.

I say take to the Wolves. Have fun with a fun army. You will have plenty of time get your bikes ready for Adepticon. I'm playing my Fists. I just cannot decide what I want to play.

Black Blow Fly said...

The two armies are the polar opposites of each other. Personally I like the Loganwing list better but that's just me.

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Sabote said...

I would drop an attack bike and add all plasma to include combi plasma to the sgt on the short bike squad.

Maybe some flamers

CORWINDAL5 said...

I would go with wolves.

Besides they are painted better. =)

CORWINDAL5 said...

To be honest your wolve list won't be able to do much against most armoured opponents. You need long fang squads in there.

I like the bike list but don't really like the attack bikes with heavy bolters or the speeders with heavy bolters. They don't do much with most people taking alot of feel no pain units. I would go for more tank killing stuff.


My vote is for the bike list. Besides you need the practice to hone your bike skills for Adepticon and what better way to get it then by playing your army in the BFSR tourney.

Aldonis said...

Thanks for comments.....

corwindal - not sure I follow you on the "anti-armor" comment with the wolves...

Two cyclone Termies that Logan can give tank hunter to

Lascannon on razorback (bounced back and forth between AC and TL-LC for the second one).

Melta's in each Grey Hunter squads..

Lot's have High strenght HTH with Logan, Termies, and T-wolves....

It's meant to be an all comers list - not just a list designed to beat all armor....

With Bikes - I'm limited by the models I have and points to work with. The HB bikes are good against horde, DE and just sheer torrent of fire....

CORWINDAL5 said...

Basically you have 6 "Lascannon" shoots. That is fine with me but 2 of the those are mounted on low armour tanks that will probably die withen the first couple of turns turn. After that you will have just 4 Super krak shots. Now you have 4 Krak ("lascannon") shots that can only fire at one target. You don't want to leave your T Wolf Calvary exposed trying to take out vehicles when they are more there to take out dudes. Again this is my opinion. I like your bikes because you have a lot of tactical options with them and alot of good melta fire power that is tough to hurt because you have it buried in your units. I really feel like that is the better option.

Sorry I deleted twice. Kept changing my mind.

Bikeninja said...

AL, quit being a sissy and pick one. Go with the Wolves. If you play your I wanna be like Sabote list then we will make fun of you. Just Sayin

Aldonis said...

But...but....I DO wanna be like Sabote....I really do!!!